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	<title>Comments on: Creating Quality Jobs vs. Creating Quality Workers</title>
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		<title>By: Wilton Businessman</title>
		<link>http://jonathanpelto.com/2012/08/29/creating-quality-jobs-vs-creating-quality-workers/#comment-6266</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilton Businessman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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but as we know…. That piece of paper will determine what options exist at the end of the next four years&quot;


Depends on the field of study.  If you&#039;re talking the next step is law school, then you are probably right.  But everything else, it&#039;s more a factor of you have that piece of paper than what it says on it.  In fact, I would argue that a higher GPA from a &quot;second tier&quot; school is better than a lower GPA from a &quot;first tier&quot; school.


I did follow my own advice.  it&#039;s just that when I went to school my choice was a &quot;second tier&quot; and my friends and I like to joke that we probably wouldn&#039;t even get in today.  I got student loans for about 25% of it, I got scholarships for about 25% of it, I worked my tail off during the summer and while I was in school for 25% of it, and Mom &amp; Dad picked up the rest...about the cost of a car payment (other than the occasional infusion of beer money or winter semester tuition because of said beer money, but I digress...).  Then again, I was selfish and could have gone to a state school and Mom &amp; Dad wouldn&#039;t have had to pickup anything.  But if they didn&#039;t have it, I would be SUNYPotsdam89.  Would I make the same choice to spend $42,690 now (although we know nobody pays full retail)? I can tell you that I recommended my niece NOT go there because they weren&#039;t offering her enough scholarship money in comparison to their competitors.


The point was not to pick on you and your choice.  I think it&#039;s admirable that YOU made the CHOICE on how to fund YOUR child&#039;s education.  The point was that there are other affordable options to people with less means. Not everybody has to go to an almost-ivy (lawyers excluded) to get a good start on life. 


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but as we know…. That piece of paper will determine what options exist at the end of the next four years&#8221;</p>
<p>Depends on the field of study.  If you&#8217;re talking the next step is law school, then you are probably right.  But everything else, it&#8217;s more a factor of you have that piece of paper than what it says on it.  In fact, I would argue that a higher GPA from a &#8220;second tier&#8221; school is better than a lower GPA from a &#8220;first tier&#8221; school.</p>
<p>I did follow my own advice.  it&#8217;s just that when I went to school my choice was a &#8220;second tier&#8221; and my friends and I like to joke that we probably wouldn&#8217;t even get in today.  I got student loans for about 25% of it, I got scholarships for about 25% of it, I worked my tail off during the summer and while I was in school for 25% of it, and Mom &amp; Dad picked up the rest&#8230;about the cost of a car payment (other than the occasional infusion of beer money or winter semester tuition because of said beer money, but I digress&#8230;).  Then again, I was selfish and could have gone to a state school and Mom &amp; Dad wouldn&#8217;t have had to pickup anything.  But if they didn&#8217;t have it, I would be SUNYPotsdam89.  Would I make the same choice to spend $42,690 now (although we know nobody pays full retail)? I can tell you that I recommended my niece NOT go there because they weren&#8217;t offering her enough scholarship money in comparison to their competitors.</p>
<p>The point was not to pick on you and your choice.  I think it&#8217;s admirable that YOU made the CHOICE on how to fund YOUR child&#8217;s education.  The point was that there are other affordable options to people with less means. Not everybody has to go to an almost-ivy (lawyers excluded) to get a good start on life. </p>
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		<title>By: jonpelto</title>
		<link>http://jonathanpelto.com/2012/08/29/creating-quality-jobs-vs-creating-quality-workers/#comment-6262</link>
		<dc:creator>jonpelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The kid is taking out some loans, but taking the Parent Plus because I don’t the kid to come out of school looking at the need for an advanced degree and a debt burden that will ruin their ability to live a fulfilling life. 


Wilton Businessman my friend, from what I know of you, I’m guessing that the college you went to now charges  $42,690. 


Since a college degree is the lynch pin to everything else, and what college matters, especially when it comes to getting into graduate education programs or being competitive in the marketplace, I will do whatever is needed to give my child a fighting chance.  Even if that means reducing my quality of life for what time remains. 


I think community colleges are great, as are many lower costing colleges and universities, but as we know…. That piece of paper will determine what options exist at the end of the next four years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The kid is taking out some loans, but taking the Parent Plus because I don’t the kid to come out of school looking at the need for an advanced degree and a debt burden that will ruin their ability to live a fulfilling life. </p>
<p>Wilton Businessman my friend, from what I know of you, I’m guessing that the college you went to now charges  $42,690. </p>
<p>Since a college degree is the lynch pin to everything else, and what college matters, especially when it comes to getting into graduate education programs or being competitive in the marketplace, I will do whatever is needed to give my child a fighting chance.  Even if that means reducing my quality of life for what time remains. </p>
<p>I think community colleges are great, as are many lower costing colleges and universities, but as we know…. That piece of paper will determine what options exist at the end of the next four years.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilton Businessman</title>
		<link>http://jonathanpelto.com/2012/08/29/creating-quality-jobs-vs-creating-quality-workers/#comment-6258</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilton Businessman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re talking about PLUS loans, not student loans.  Two different things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re talking about PLUS loans, not student loans.  Two different things.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilton Businessman</title>
		<link>http://jonathanpelto.com/2012/08/29/creating-quality-jobs-vs-creating-quality-workers/#comment-6257</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilton Businessman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t believe a mind as brilliant as Jon Pelto is taking out a PLUS loan. Part of the problem with college education is that people are willing to pay anything to get it.  The demand is so great that the providers of that education keep increasing the cost every year.


Regardless of what the Federal Government says you can afford, you are the master of your own finances.  If you can&#039;t afford $30K a year for college, you can&#039;t afford it.  What about community college?  What about commuting?  Sure, everybody wants to go away to school, but if you can&#039;t afford to go away, don&#039;t.


There are values out there.  Sure, it might be a &quot;second tier&quot; school, but there are dozens of schools ready to throw scholarship money to your Connecticut educated children.  These schools know that they are getting quality students from families that can probably afford to lay down $15K a year without too much difficulty.


More power to you for taking on that kind of debt.  I can&#039;t say it&#039;s the financially smart thing to do and I hope your student realizes what a sacrifice you made for them.  Imagine how many kids you could send to community college with $160K,,,,  Just saying....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe a mind as brilliant as Jon Pelto is taking out a PLUS loan. Part of the problem with college education is that people are willing to pay anything to get it.  The demand is so great that the providers of that education keep increasing the cost every year.</p>
<p>Regardless of what the Federal Government says you can afford, you are the master of your own finances.  If you can&#8217;t afford $30K a year for college, you can&#8217;t afford it.  What about community college?  What about commuting?  Sure, everybody wants to go away to school, but if you can&#8217;t afford to go away, don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>There are values out there.  Sure, it might be a &#8220;second tier&#8221; school, but there are dozens of schools ready to throw scholarship money to your Connecticut educated children.  These schools know that they are getting quality students from families that can probably afford to lay down $15K a year without too much difficulty.</p>
<p>More power to you for taking on that kind of debt.  I can&#8217;t say it&#8217;s the financially smart thing to do and I hope your student realizes what a sacrifice you made for them.  Imagine how many kids you could send to community college with $160K,,,,  Just saying&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: CT Essential Politics – Thursday 08.30.12 - CT Devil&#039;s Advocate</title>
		<link>http://jonathanpelto.com/2012/08/29/creating-quality-jobs-vs-creating-quality-workers/#comment-6251</link>
		<dc:creator>CT Essential Politics – Thursday 08.30.12 - CT Devil&#039;s Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 2010 - Hugh Bailey, Hearst Looking For That Third Party Appeal - Greg Hladky, Hartford Advocate Quality Jobs vs. Quality Workers - Jonathan Pelto, Wait, What? State&#8217;s Manufacturing Climate Improves - Christine Stuart, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2010 - Hugh Bailey, Hearst Looking For That Third Party Appeal - Greg Hladky, Hartford Advocate Quality Jobs vs. Quality Workers - Jonathan Pelto, Wait, What? State&#8217;s Manufacturing Climate Improves - Christine Stuart, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: buygoldandprosper</title>
		<link>http://jonathanpelto.com/2012/08/29/creating-quality-jobs-vs-creating-quality-workers/#comment-6243</link>
		<dc:creator>buygoldandprosper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 23:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can you say...one TRILLION dollars in student loans out there.Another time bomb waiting to go off. The hedge-fund backed &quot;knowledge industry&quot; is neck deep in this business,shackling students to debt that we will have to absorb one day. And the tuitions just keep going up,like health care,with waaaay more than inflation.Pegged to nothing but greed,and that is in no short supply in this country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you say&#8230;one TRILLION dollars in student loans out there.Another time bomb waiting to go off. The hedge-fund backed &#8220;knowledge industry&#8221; is neck deep in this business,shackling students to debt that we will have to absorb one day. And the tuitions just keep going up,like health care,with waaaay more than inflation.Pegged to nothing but greed,and that is in no short supply in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Puffers</title>
		<link>http://jonathanpelto.com/2012/08/29/creating-quality-jobs-vs-creating-quality-workers/#comment-6241</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Puffers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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I find this issue terribly upsetting.  Most 18 year olds don’t understand the
tremendous challenge of paying back $100,000. 
No one at the college counsels students to be cautious when taking out
loans.  With first-generation college going
students there may not be anyone at home to provide financial advice or
support.  Banks will let anyone co-sign
because the bank knows the money is guaranteed as student loan debt can never
be forgiven.  Reformers put pressure on high
school staff to increase the number of students attending college.  Some Hartford students are graduating without the skills needed to succeed
in college.  They drop out after a semester
or two of college and then have to pay back the money while working a minimum
wage job. Or they graduate from college, have difficulty finding a job, take a job where they are underemployed  and have to pay back even more money.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this issue terribly upsetting.  Most 18 year olds don’t understand the<br />
tremendous challenge of paying back $100,000.<br />
No one at the college counsels students to be cautious when taking out<br />
loans.  With first-generation college going<br />
students there may not be anyone at home to provide financial advice or<br />
support.  Banks will let anyone co-sign<br />
because the bank knows the money is guaranteed as student loan debt can never<br />
be forgiven.  Reformers put pressure on high<br />
school staff to increase the number of students attending college.  Some Hartford students are graduating without the skills needed to succeed<br />
in college.  They drop out after a semester<br />
or two of college and then have to pay back the money while working a minimum<br />
wage job. Or they graduate from college, have difficulty finding a job, take a job where they are underemployed  and have to pay back even more money.</p>
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		<title>By: buygoldandprosper</title>
		<link>http://jonathanpelto.com/2012/08/29/creating-quality-jobs-vs-creating-quality-workers/#comment-6240</link>
		<dc:creator>buygoldandprosper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For me,two in college and one more going next year,I feel very much like you.Buried by the system that I find very hard to believe in.And buried financially. The worst part is that the kids may not be able to find a job or a job that pays anything above the poverty level after college. And companies &quot;can&#039;t find skilled workers&quot; is the mantra. They sure never seem to find them in third world countries,or China.
Dan and his NEXT FIVE JIVE is the biggest scam to ever hit this state,and that says a lot. Bridgewater is the sweetest scam of all for Ray and BLT and Dan Malloy. Extending incentives to hedge funds is like giving Dracula the keys to the local blood bank. Hedge funds add ZERO value to the economy.NONE! Bridgewater just happens to be the company with the most zeros and the only winner,outside the firm,is Dan Malloy who will be getting SuperPac donations down the road from these clowns. Creating jobs by moving them within the state and down the road. Some coup for Dan!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me,two in college and one more going next year,I feel very much like you.Buried by the system that I find very hard to believe in.And buried financially. The worst part is that the kids may not be able to find a job or a job that pays anything above the poverty level after college. And companies &#8220;can&#8217;t find skilled workers&#8221; is the mantra. They sure never seem to find them in third world countries,or China.<br />
Dan and his NEXT FIVE JIVE is the biggest scam to ever hit this state,and that says a lot. Bridgewater is the sweetest scam of all for Ray and BLT and Dan Malloy. Extending incentives to hedge funds is like giving Dracula the keys to the local blood bank. Hedge funds add ZERO value to the economy.NONE! Bridgewater just happens to be the company with the most zeros and the only winner,outside the firm,is Dan Malloy who will be getting SuperPac donations down the road from these clowns. Creating jobs by moving them within the state and down the road. Some coup for Dan!</p>
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