Woman “steals” $524 and is fired from her state position; Man “steals” $450 dollars and is ordered to pay it back but gets to keep his state job.

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UPDATE:  The CTNewsjunkie story on today’s food stamp robber dismissal hearing is up:  http://www.ctnewsjunkie.com/ctnj.php/archives/entry/worker_accused_of_fraud_waits_for_decision/.  

As of moments ago no ruling has been made but the state employee did get a chance to lay out the facts: 

“Lisa Prout, who has worked for 11 years at the hospital and is a single-mother of two, said she would have never lied about her income in order to qualify for $524 in benefits. She claims the Department of Social Services eligibility worker changed her application and failed to count the $1,200 she disclosed on the form as money she had in the bank to pay her expenses.”

“An East Hampton resident Prout said she was without power for nine days and she applied for the food stamps on the very last day in September at which point she received a voucher. When she returned the next day she was given a debt card with $524 on it.

She said she would happily return that money to the state if it meant she got to keep her job.

“I was ushered through the application process like a piece of meat through a processing plant and the DSS worker provided me with guidance in completing the application,” Prout said. “I did nothing wrong; I have been treated unfairly; and my family is suffering.”

“Malloy’s office declined to comment on individual cases”

Background:

The accusation is that she “fraudulently obtained benefits through the state of Connecticut’s Department of Social Services administration of the Disaster Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (D-Snap) in violation of DHMAS work rule #2 and State of Connecticut Personnel Regulation 5-240-1a.”

Considering that this is the first case going to a dismissal hearing, the Malloy Administration is probably using one of their strongest cases.  In politics you simply don’t deliver the kind of harsh rhetoric that has been coming from the Governor and his people and then risk losing the case.

For her part, the single-mom with an unblemished record of state service will undoubtedly respond by telling her story which, considering the information that has surfaced to date, will be to point out the fact that the DSS workers who were responsible for processing 20,000 applications (when 2,000 were expected) had limited training and had never dealt with this particular program before.

In this case, faulty information from a DSS worker appears to have led the woman to believe that she and her children met the required standard to receive emergency food aid in the wake of Hurricane Irene when, in fact, she did not.

One can assume that after today’s hearing she will be immediately terminated thereby laying the foundation for the next set of state employee food stamp cases.

Now juxtaposition her story with what occurred last week to the male Human Resources Manager for Connecticut’s Military Department.

In this case, the state employee who knew or should have known the law about using state resources for personal use had used a state-owned gymnasium “for his own (and his family’s) personal use on multiple occasions in 2008 and 2009 without paying the required rental fees.”

The HR manager was ordered to pay $450 in penalties for his violation of Connecticut state law and will remain on the state payroll.

Yesterday the Governor reiterated his commitment to the notion that these state employees are innocent until proven guilty saying “everyone is entitled to due process, but if these allegations prove true, it constitutes a serious violation of the public trust.”

It appears that the definition of a “serious violation of public trust” here in Connecticut would be better described as a loose set of general guidelines rather than an exact rule.

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  • http://centriststudent.wordpress.com centriststudent

    Is there any history on the HR manager? It seems extremely unfair to characterize one employee as having an ‘unblemished record’ (until now), and then juxtapose her with another employee who got caught in an ethics violation and leave up his record (and therefore his character) to the reader.

    • jonpelto

      Fair point. I’ll see what I can find. I’ve asked for a copy of the consent agreement with the HR guy. the link in the press release that went out doesn’t has a link that doesn’t work. But you are right. Need to have that information.

  • andrea wilson

    They always go after the weak. If you own your own home you qualify for insurance to replace lost food (up to $500.00 with a 100 deductable). If you do not own a home and can not afford insurance maybe you go to SNAP? Anyway we continue to ignore all of the other crimes and ethics violations committed by managers and upper managemnt in the state while we continue to take the pound of flesh from those who can least afford it.

  • L Urda

    Due process should prove guilt or innocence. If guilty, the same consequences should be instituted to all no matter title, gender, race, or amount stolen. If you are guilty then you are guilty.
    If Malloy admin thinks their role is god-like and that they can choose consequences, they are wrong. Stealing is stealing is stealing. That is what is wrong with our entire society; everyone thinks they deserve something from the gov’t. NO ONE deserves anything. This attitude that is so prevalent continues to screw the hard working honest citizen who never asks for any hand-outs.
    The job of hired adminintration/state workers is to monitor moneys appropriatly and if they are not doing their job, then they should be fired too. There are plenty of people who could run these departments better. You can not have accountability for some departments and not others. The state has lost all trust from the citizens because of the poor decisions that continually occur daily.

  • Sharewhut

    Would want to see more specifics on the HR guy. We all know what a cluster the SNAP deal was, repayment should be sufficient there if can be shown she wasn’t acting maliciously/with intent to defraud…
    The HR guy’s offenses occurred in ’08 and ’09. Was it brought to his attention then that he should be paying, no finding of intent to defraud, and:
    a) did he just stop using the gym and was given the impression that past due was forgiven, only to have it dredged up 2 years later under new regime?
    b) did he continue using from that point, paying as he should have been all along, and said regime decided to go after him for ‘back taxes’ in an effort to look balanced? or
    c) for some other, innocent or nefarious reason, his transgression bubbled back to the top after 2 years (ie he really cheesed someone off!)?
    Kind of tough to fire someone after 2 years if issue had been addressed at the time and presumably cleared up then… as opposed to catching it and acting immediately, as is being done in SNAPgate.

  • Steve

    One employee happens to be a union member, and the other employee is management. With my eyes blindfolded, my mouth taped, and my limbs tied, it’s still very easy to pick out who wil get the shaft and who will receive the preferred treatment. I would like to know what Ms. Prout’s job title is, but is she being held to a higher standard than the state troopers and management? Of course, the union shall appeal to the labor board. I do believe that an state accountant, nurse clinician, public safety member or management should be held to a higher standard than a custodian, maintainer or clerk.

  • Steve

    The governor, his sidekicks, and the media have the public hoodwinked that all union state employees make a very good living with terrific benefits and a monthly pension well up in the thousands. The truth is, there are thousands of state employees who only make in the high 30′s and ’40′s, with decreasing benefits and will be lucky to see a pension over $1000, a month, I’m sure that there’s state employees who would had qualified for the d-snap benefit. What I question about all the state employees who applied for the benefit, did they pull a vacation or personal day and stood in line with the public, or did they have the inside track?

  • Steve

    Prout made $82,576 last year, but claims $1990 take home, which is alot of deductions. At that pay level, she’s probably either a nurse, or a mental health worker with substanial overtime. What happened to the six-figure state trooper, he should go first. All six-figure state employees, who got the benefit, should go first. This ‘crime’ doesn’t fit the punishment. She’s already been embarrassed and stressed out. Malloy wants to look strong, but he may end up looking like a monster.

  • andrea wilson

    FYI ConnecticutSunlight.org lists the pay rate of Lisa. Bi-weekly last year (2010) her pay was $1859.00 for all of you who don’t get it- that means without overtime or mileage she makes less than 50k a year!
    The HR manager’s wages can also be found there. Overtime is just that- but the HR Manager more than likely makes over 100k a year.
    Here we go again, picking on the weak. Good for all of you who desire a pound of flesh from one who is need and allow the one who has the resources and probably the connections to get away with his deeds.
    What did you say that guy’s name is??????

  • Sharewhut

    I’m far from a management shill, but step back and look at this unemotionally.
    Both offenses are misdemeanors, Class C for under $500 and Class B for $500-1000. Statute of Limitation on each is 1 year, both criminal and civil. No matter what pay grade the gym user was 2 or 3 years ago it would be tough to go after him for anything, and he’d probably have a good case to sue on if they fired him after all this time, especially if it had been addressed previously. I’m sure most of us at some point have had a “let it slide this time, make sure you’re doing it right from here on” situation.
    Also need to consider past/customary accepted practice at the site. Many state facilities have gyms/wellness centers for employee use. Most are Spartan in equipment, much of it bought by employee ‘Sunshine fund’ or ‘Wellness Committee’ money from fundraising. In places with real gyms, such as UConn or other schools I don’t think they’re turning away a Maintainer who wants to use treadmill after work. If you’re using facilities for a pool party, that’s a bit different. But if it’s a case where “Hey guy, we’ve always allowed this, but can’t do it now and in future” there’s not intent to defraud.
    Other case, it’s not and has never been acceptable to defraud for monetary gain. If intent or deliberate falsification is proved…

    • jonpelto

      Sharewhut, you are probably right – certainly about the misdemeanor piece – but it was to convenient not to make use of the comparison for ‘symbolic sake at least”. I still can’t access the consent decree but he used it primarily with his kid and his kids friends to play basketball. The fact is it like a big waste of time to pursue other than to say – don’t do it again or reimburse and call it a day – bot have hearings and lawyers and everything boarders on the absurd.

      That said – when I finally took time to read the rules about D-SNAP i’m ever more surprised – even dumbfounded that no one in DSS management told the commissioner to tell the governor’s office that total annual pay is irrelevant in determining qualification but instead it is based on the net pay expected over the 30 days compared to expected expenses.

      So I’ll admit it may be a bit of stretch depending on the details surrounding his case – but – and its a big but – the Governor’s office should ave (1) found out what the rules were before talking about a culture of corruption and (2) been sensitive that this was $524 that could only be used to buy healthy food.